new atheism: the godlessness that failed

Race is obviously not a real category. In all cases these ideas were initially fringe and benefited hugely from internet followings. It is implicitly assumed that the religion that New Atheism was against was mainly Christianity, but the rest could be argued against just as well if needed. – They left Civilly inform me of my sins and I will try my best to repent. New Atheism also tended to make its way into (or “infect”) unrelated communities and conversations back in its heyday. Lots of other things, of course, have not dissipated on the same schedule. This: I think it seamlessly merged into the modern social justice movement. Meanwhile, as the old Christian right dies off and the various Ben Sasse and Kevin Williamson-style “serious Christian conservatives” jump ship on a more and more Trumpian GOP, expect the rise of an atheist right – more blatantly libertarian, aristocratic and nihilistic at it’s core, yet often using populist nostalgia as a tool. This is the only place I know where Trump supporters, Catholics, Marxists, and so on engage in (mostly) civil discussion. But I think a big part of it is that atheism became much more mainstream so it is no longer seen as edgy. That’s why I didn’t make such a point. Read Hitchens a lot, but I was a Catholic. Here’s a more straightforward explanation: it the mid-2000’s, Christianity directly motivated several noxious American policies (banning gay marriage, teaching Intelligent Design in schools, and, to some extent, the “War on Terror”). The cause of this bad behavior was also extremely clear: The company created enormous incentive jumps. Even if people thinking that God exists was the cause of all those terrible things, it never once occurred to me that it would follow that we ought to place any restrictions at all on people’s freedom to believe those things or to express their beliefs in those things publicly without any impedance (not any more than any other belief or expression of belief, anyway). There were plenty of interesting things religious people could say on that topic, even if I didn’t agree with them. Every day brought new perspectives on this and a host of similar anti-religious activist causes. And a pro-business party operates on interest politics, not identity politics. But I do think that if someone’s going to preach against a social ill, they make much more sensible targets than religion. When Jones—described by the Myth of the 20th Century podcast as the “modern-day GK Chesterton”— said that in a YouTube video that was popular on what I call the Leading-Indicator Right, something inside me snapped. Western Civ lived out in large what believers experience in small; it died but was resurrected. 2011-12 was a breakthrough year/s for intersectionality for whatever reason, although the explicitly formulated ideology goes back to the late 80s. Did these become more popular because of arguments, or because people adopted these beliefs as fashions? (…I don’t know if this comment is as well–thought-out as I’d like…). Or paleo Crunchy Con turned BenOp Orthodox Rod? I think Scott is just saying something like, “Atheism took over and divided all internet communities under Bush; SJ takes over and divides all internet communities these days; we switched from one being the big divider to the other because SJ is a more effective ideology at dividing people in the current political environment, while atheism was the better divider previously (or it was simply first, and then swiftly outcompeted).” Except Scott IS an atheist but is NOT into SJ so of course he valorized atheism and took plenty of snarky shots at SJ in the process. There’s an old joke about the Irish Troubles, which I’ll quote from memory: Guy A: Are you Catholic or Protestant? In August 2013 PZ Myers accused skeptic writer Michael Shermer of sexually assaulting an unnamed woman while she was drunk at an unspecified skeptic conference (more than one year later that woman revealed her name and the event where the incident allegedly took place). Specifically, “A Ghost in the Machine” was what deconverted me, although looking back at it I can’t see why it felt like such a big deal. were men of amazing wit, learning, honesty, generosity, nobility and every other virtue that they could think of. I initially read your “Would it be accurate for me to say that…” as implying that the correct answer is “yes”, but I’m not sure how much of that is my uncharitable bias and how much is ambiguity in the text. With Trump, it no longer is – while evangelicals overwhelmingly support him, even they probably don’t think he’s much of a believer. We’re against things like slavery. The historical replacement of “sins” seems tough to deny. Why the shift? But instead of “New Atheists realized they were wrong about the ultimate motivation for these terrible beliefs,” we get … this: This is bad. The SJW tribe/cluster/team/whatever are people who follow SJ ideology that posits a certain way of looking at the social/physical/political world, which is why I think it makes sense to call it a “hamartiology” (I may be wrong on this; I was introduced to this word in this very post, and I’m just following my intuition based on this post and some light research). Bingo, Akhorahil. There are lots of subtribes (and internecine conflicts) in the Red Tribe as well, but most people in this community just aren’t familiar with internal Red politics. Intelligent Design has been out of the news for years. There is nothing we like about either racism or sexism. I think this is the right idea. These were the days when bloggers filled auditoria and travelled in high-altitude balloons. Bush himself has already apologized in his memoir for his Ownership Society. The intellectual leaders of the movement were known for writing multi-page articles on their blogs. I find it very humbling to read analyses like this on social trends. (Scott: if you meant to refer to the whole thing, then even more apologies.). The interesting thing is that it seems from those trends as initially Republicans in USA were actually being convinced by the arguments and shifted towards the left opinion, and then, suddenly, they said to themselves “f* it” and went into the other direction. And Dawkins (when he’s not anti-Brexit advocating for the voting age to be lowered, simply for the benefits to his pro-Brexit side, not for SJ issues as such)? How is this a slight progression ? simply won’t take the problem seriously enough to make any tangible progress (other than as a kind of intelligence signaling enterprise). It’s easier to attack mostly harmless domestic Christians and present it as highminded rationality choice than to engage some really hard and dangerous targets, where solutions are not as simple as “Christian man bad”. In the beginning it was basically an outgrowth of the Internet atheist movement Scott described here. There are still occasional atheism-related articles on the server, but they’re in the minority. Whereas the midcentury political coalition mixed these things with the New Deal coalition that included southern racists and northern immigrants and blacks against the Harding/Eisenhower petty bourgeoisie everywhere. debate). I think this is exactly it. They just had to CTRL+F and replace a couple of keywords. I also read a lot of the feminist blogasphere back in the 00s. They market themselves as hip, Internet-savvy youngsters, but it seems to me that their formative experience of the Internet (and politics more broadly) was mid Bush-late Obama era. For example, if European countries weren’t so nationalist and cohesive, perhaps WWI would not have happened. BTW. Maybe my high school level of science education hadn’t actually given me a complete understanding of the Universe. First Things: A Monthly Journal of Religion & Public Life;Jun/Jul2000, Issue 104, p35. The biggest incidences of violence in the US, the civil war, settler-native conflicts, and Jim Crow were all clearly racially motivated. That sort of pose I can certainly understand, and everyone seems to consistently describe Chapo this way. Environmental devastation? Religious commenters tend to be so in both senses of the word. As others have said, the hard left/socialist left is really trying to make the next one class and wealth inequality, but I’m skeptical they will succeed. Regarding “the truly free market” as some kind of millennialist fantasy, I just don’t see it. The enraged officials shouted: “You have defiled everything here!” (source). A lot of it rings true (particularly having the support of a wise community). Admittedly the projects in question are highly speculative and Starship is definitely not a sure bet, but I’d think if the magnitude of the problem is as large as claimed then they’re worth exploring. The Godlessness that Failed. And also peer pressure (≈ conformity?) As one random sign of this: Reagan was the last time we had a wave election where a President won not just by red overtaking blue or blue overtaking red but wide enough support Reagan won almost every state. Maybe they’ll succeed, and one day talking too much about racism will seem as out-of-touch as talking too much about atheism does now; maybe the rise of terms like “woke capitalism” is already part of this process. Pace what you say, it sounds like they should be trashing David French and aren’t? I don’t think I’ve ever been afraid of being murdered/raped while alone with a man, in elevators or parking garages or anywhere else, that’s ludicrously paranoid. Likewise, although religion has barely declined, and nonbelief barely risen, Christianity no longer seems to command quite the same level of political power, nor does atheism provoke quite as much revulsion. “I think this is the next big fight on the left, between environmentalism and socialism, to replace the woke SJ hamartiology…”. Then there is an echo chamber saying she was wrong to ask people to be careful. Which range from minor bullying on the Internet, to actual terrorism, harassment, and genocide. I’m going to concur with Ninety-Three. Any women knows how your blood races when you realize a strange man is trying to corner you in a deserted parking garage, “dark alley”, or some other forsaken spot where no one can see or hear you scream. Read Dostoevsky’s mocking portrayal of a polyamorous progressive in his time. If you’re part of the Red Tribe, it’s now heterodox to actively condemn the existence of a white identity: doing so will get you tossed out of the tribe. We had populism in many European countries a year or two before Trump and Brexit. They had read Ayn Rand, but they didn’t mainline the total Randian worldview. You know enough about logic to know that any claim about “All” can be negated with a single counter-example. I am surprised how much people succeed at that – instead of being pointed at and laughed as somebody committing basic schoolyard logical fallacy, and recommended come next week and try better, this kind of behavior is embraced as brave and bold, and lauded. Also, in addition to outgroup vs. fargroup, being formerly religious might influence one’s way of thinking. Hatred. Marxists who are concerned with social justice aren’t part of the SJW tribe/cluster/team/whatever. I’ll politely disagree with both points, but that’s not the main gist of what we’re discussing. Various third world countries are more appalled, which is why, as much of a dead issue as it may seem to be on the Anglophone Internet, you still hear about atheism bloggers being assassinated elsewhere. This is a mirror of my own political evolution from being horrified of the evangelists in the 80’s to dismayed by the looney SJW of the current age. Pinker did spend an entire book on debunking the “blank slate” fallacy that underlies much of SJ dogmatic horseshit. 2. It also fundamentally misconstrues what prompted the passion of atheists, which was the effect religion has on culture and policy. (I suppose I’d be one of those 20% but heavily leaning in the SJ direction. What the hell is going on here? Trump’s political brand was “the birth certificate business”. That joint initiative enraged members of the nation’s biggest construction unions, already on edge about the rising influence of climate-change activists. New Atheism: The Godlessness That Failed Thucydides predicted that future generations would underestimate the power of Sparta. That was my true identity. As the summer neared its end, panicked salesmen would do whatever it took to get to number 100. In fairness to Dostoevsky, we should also remember Ivan in The Brothers Karamazov, a much more reasonable atheist (well, by the standards set by the usual unreasonability of Dostoevsky characters in general). “…Language separates us from the apes; not being blinded by religion separates us from the Republicans…”. My anecdotal take, derived from acquaintances who are going through this sort of thing, is that it happens to women more and that women are more bothered by it than men. I have to wonder how much of an impact the platform has on these large-scale cultural debates. And yes, I think the vocal opponents in this particular case are legitimately Bad People. It loved Gish Gallops of enormous numbers of arguments from all sides and the idea that you would tell anyone, even the most foolish, that they should be banned was verboten. Atheism vs. Theism was only a subset of larger, political arguments that got cordoned off into subforums in a couple of places where I hung out regularly (for context: gaming forums) during the timeframes discussed (the Early Internet Era and… whatever it was that started happening around 2012). There’s still a little bit of anti-religious content, but mostly in the context of Catholics being racist and misogynist. Do you see the issue with your argument? *Mormons willing to be apostates that (for instance) protested for women to enter the priesthood**, or for gay marriage, were accepted easily. It seemed perfectly normal because religion vs. atheism was the most important issue, maybe the only issue. “It’s the EIIIIGHTIES! Isn’t it because it is mandatory among the ‘elite?’ You don’t need Stalin to purge the unbelievers when there are a million little Stalins in positions of power. She refused the invitation and then made an offhand reference to the incident in a vlog, complaining about having being “sexualized”. Looking back, I recognize how essential it is for the seeker to have a spiritual discipline in the context and support of a community. I think it would be more accurate to say that “all the people who valued appearing intelligent to their friends above all else were atheists.”, I said this on Scott’s first post on this topic in 2017. As friendly debate started feeling more and more inadequate, and as newer and less nerdy people started taking over the Internet, this dream receded. That doesn’t make much sense to me. It was a big taboo to be atheist in Poland around 2010. it’s very difficult to make a compelling case that religion is a purely evil force in the world. 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